Curse

Joe Camelot · Aug 13, 2005, 02:15 AM // 02:15

My whole thing is ..one part of the game that i really enjoy is buying and selling of items. The update pretty much has taken that away. I mean why would someone buy a ....black dye from me for 6k when they can buy it for 7k at trader..Same goes for matl's and runes. It seems now the only way I will ever be able to afford any of those extremly high priced weapons is to play for longer times to get what change I can get from drops. It seems to me that they could put a system in place that responds better to supply and demand. Almost like the way it was but with some minor changes.. like when trader is out of an item thats when the the trader should offer a price that is higher. If the trader has planty in stock well then the price offered should be less.... Making the window between buying and selling close together just discourages free trade.. Which in my opinion is a very fun part of the game..

wiz12268 · Aug 13, 2005, 03:10 AM // 03:10

I skimmed through the last couple pages of this. I would imagine the guys that LOVE the game are either guys who PvP solely, or were beta testers who got all their stuff cheap in the beginning and have items that aren't even available in the game now.

Once a game becomes boring and finished what good is it to play any more? That is why Anet has continue to update the game I am sure, and why they are looking to make new maps, and most assuredly new armors or weapons, to keep the game fresh, and to keep the guys that have finished seemingly every conceiveable build playing.

Once you have made 6-7 characters and do not PvP what else is there to do but go out hunting/farming? How boring is it to go through those missions and build charatcers? Most guys don't do it with the 4 they have let alone deleting a charatcer they've built and starting over. Most guys but unided runes, and unlock all the skills they want. Damn they even made it possible for the PvP guys to unlock skills for any preofession simply by aquiring faction points. Now all someone has to do is play PvP for endless hours and they can unlock every rune and skil in the game. WHere doe sthat fit into their "skills based RPG not based on hours of game play" discalimer?

People want to play for hours, that why they chose games that can be modified and updated. Like I say, my corner is full of gams I have beaten, and once beaten they are old news. Bbut to play for hours they have ot have somehting that appeals to them. Obviously you can't please everyone. But there has to be some common sense. You can't make something that was worth 100 plat a second ago worth 100 gold. How does that make any sense at all?

When you make a game that revolves around rare items, and obscenely awesome graphics capabilities where people can not only buy in game armors, but can customize the colors with various dye and dye combinations. You are going to build that capatilistic/money making player that want the coolest looking armor, the coolest looking weapons. Weapons are not based on price for rarity, or damage caused. But they are based on look and how they appear in the graphics of the game.

I am not saying the game sucks because it allowed people to get want they want. I say it sucks because maybe 1% of the people that needed something actually were on and got what hey needed before guys like me bought everything up. I am sitting on windows of rubies,saphires, superior runes, ecros and shard. I can basically outfit all 4 of my current toons and have some left over, AND I have a couple hundred plat left over. Not to mention all the pefect weapons I stil have.

I am sure they will still fetch a pretty penny despite this new economy, basically becasue that is still a "human" market buying them. I am not complaing becasue I missed out, I am complaining because it was so easy for me to get all that stuff even cheaper than I could yesterday morning. I am complaing because I felt like I needed to do it to keep up withthe other guys that would do it anyways. JUST IN CASE i needed those items in the future and didn't want to spend everything I had. PLus what if there are new updats with new armors, or new things that the developers let you get? Like guild storages, or guild buildings. THAT would be a lot better for the developers to intdouce than to constantly be resetting prices. If you remember corerectly they did it a few weeks ago, and we saw where that went. I am sure it wil be the same this time, maybe even worse. Then another update? If they keep doing that then gold/plats will be the only thing worth trading in the future. becasue you won't ever know what something is going to be worth from one day to the next. So those 5 ectos you traded for that 50K hammer are now worth 25K.

In an RPG game economy is important, and it is a part of the game. Like it or noty. And it is definately something that needs to be looked at seriously by the develpoers. Because it isn't fair for anyone to keep resetting everything.

I would have rather had them reset everything, including all hoarded items in people invemtories, giving them fair trade values in plast fro all materials in their stashes. THEN start over. Meaning that the 100 rubies I had be vauled at somewhere between 500-750K and then taken out of my stash and replaced with Plat. Obviously that creates problems with the ceiling that people are allowed to have. But I would have much rather lost them and gotten something in return, than to have them still sitting there with no value whatsoever. Same goes with ecto. Take them out of the game and replace them with plats.

That way NO BODY has any materials. So we all start fresh. Also at that point putting a quota on items. So that a person could buy only say 10 of one item an hour or a day. So even though they were loaded with plats/gold, they couldn't start right out hoarding al over again, which is EXACTLY what people have continued to do.

Now you xcan say make the itmes they hoard worhtless, but that isn't faiir either. It isn't the players faults that the game is the way it is. They are doing what makes the game fun for them. Since it is a loophole in the system then they will do it.

All I know is that in a week or so black dyes might be 50K and ectos might be 20-25. And if there is the new update including new armors rubies and spahires might be 20-25K as well.

Antonio Cappello · Aug 13, 2005, 03:14 AM // 03:14

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Originally Posted by Angelina

You still don't understand anything. The new prices are GOOD, the problem is THAT SOME PLAYERS BOUGHT STOCKS OF ECTOS SHARDS RUNES AT 100 GOLD EACH SO NOW THEY HAVE MORE THAN 1000 ECTOS IN 5 MINUTES WHILE WE HAVE 5000 TIMES LESS IN MONTHS OF FARMING OK NP CYA

And the devs can do what about this...? Exactly, nothing. So I guess we're all going to have to live with it. I don't really know why you care anyways, this game isn't about getting rich.

Angelina · Aug 13, 2005, 03:37 AM // 03:37

For you it's not, for me it is.
What's the point continue playing after you beat the game ? (I'm talking about pve)

Akilles · Aug 13, 2005, 03:39 AM // 03:39

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Originally Posted by sidepocket13

prices high......... people complaine

prices low.......... people complaine

They complained about high prices...yes, low prices? not at all, they are in shock that a company like arenanet could reset ALL the prices, yes i am sure it is quicker but to drop HIGHLY HIGHLY sought after items like ecto to 100 gp and not restrict it is just not right. We played for hundreds of hours and will NEVER make the money some 13 yr. old kid made in 10 minutes because he got home from school or was off for the summer. That is what they are complaining about.

Imagine you saved for years and years and years to get that new house! you paid a great deal for it! Tha land u bought was highy sought after and expensive...if only you could have afforded more land. Then you come home from work to discover all the land around you sold for 50 cents an acre and contractors were building new homes on it for pennies on the dollar. but u were four hours to late, now u cant get in on the deals and you have people who do not know what it is like to work for something have more than you.

I could only dream that arenanet checks the logs of mass purchases for say ecto and such. then refund the money and take back the mass ectos, it aint hard to find, he who has 100 plus ectos sitting around is the guilty one especially if the logs show he never had more than 20k in his game life.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 03:40 AM // 03:40

all I can say is I missed out. I had no idea prices were set back and so I missed out on building up my char.

I have almost completely stopped playing because all the things I want...(runes) are so expensive that I could not fathom playing long enough to gather the gold needed to BUY what I NEED for my char. To think I had a chance to NOT STOCK UP but grab the few things that have been out of my reach...it sucks. anyway...I'm not mad that they did what they did, just wish I could have benefited from it.

Aniewiel · Aug 13, 2005, 03:41 AM // 03:41

As I've said to you since last night, Angelina, maybe it's time to lay the game aside for a month or two and play Dungeon Siege 2 or F.E.A.R. Both have great demos out and should keep anyone occupied for a few days. Heck, you can even pretend the baddies are the ANet devs that messed up your game.

F.E.A.R.

http://dlx.gamespot.com/pc/fear/more...oad_head line

Dungeon Siege II

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/dunge...downloads.html

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 13, 2005, 03:54 AM // 03:54

Oooooh my life is ruined! Not only can I not sell these 40 Superior Water runes I bought, but now black dye is almost at an affordable price! My career on E-bay is over! Over!

LifeInfusion · Aug 13, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Oooooh my life is ruined! Not only can I not sell these 40 Superior Water runes I bought, but now black dye is almost at an affordable price! My career on E-bay is over! Over!

roflmao. I hope that was sarcasm.

VGJustice · Aug 13, 2005, 04:05 AM // 04:05

....yeah, didn't this also happen to Mexico when they changed the value of their real-world Peso? I remember visiting that country right about the time the money got changed. I'll tell you, almost no one wanted Pesos, they wanted the more stable Dollar. Think about this:

Exchange 6 Pesos for 1 Dollar (the exchange rate when I first arrived)
Wait one month
Exchange 1 Dollar for 100 Pesos.

Yeah, that's also like 6 years old, but you get the idea. Economies are a lot less flexible than you think. I predict that by the begining of November, if the good folks at Anet just walk away from the economy, it'll be EXACTLY like it was (more or less) about a month ago from now.

Some things are rare. That's reality. Who cares if you can't make your armor that exact shade of blueish-white? If you think you *need* ANY rune, you'd better re-think the way you play. You SHOULD pay well for a nice weapon, or, better yet, GO EARN THE THING YOURSELF. And who says you have to pay 100k for... anything? Don't forget the second half of "The Value of Stuff": It's worth what I am willing to sell it for, and what you are willing to pay for it.

I dunno, I guess I just concidered the Black Dye to be Guild War's Lucky Lotto Ticket.

[EDIT] Also, 2 posts up is the most hilarious thing ever XD

Tuna · Aug 13, 2005, 04:11 AM // 04:11

Oh wow, the DS2 demo is 1.5 gigs

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 05:04 AM // 05:04

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Originally Posted by Sagius Truthbarron

Oooooh my life is ruined! Not only can I not sell these 40 Superior Water runes I bought, but now black dye is almost at an affordable price! My career on E-bay is over! Over!

last night black dye was listed at OVER 34k at the merchant. affordable? No. everyone bought out the merchants and rune sellers to grab all the good items and now those items are more expensive than ever.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 05:10 AM // 05:10

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Originally Posted by Aniewiel

As I've said to you since last night, Angelina, maybe it's time to lay the game aside for a month or two and play Dungeon Siege 2 or F.E.A.R. Both have great demos out and should keep anyone occupied for a few days. Heck, you can even pretend the baddies are the ANet devs that messed up your game.

F.E.A.R.

http://dlx.gamespot.com/pc/fear/more...oad_head line

Dungeon Siege II

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/dunge...downloads.html

FEAR is going to be cool. played the demo when it released. DS2 looks lame though. won't bother wasting my bw downloading it.

Angelina · Aug 13, 2005, 05:14 AM // 05:14

100% agree with Akilles.
For my part, GW is over, I'll finish some buisness and remove it.
Because to get more than 1,000 ectos, it will take me years. And when I'll get them finally, they'll be useless. I don't think Anet want to fix that, afterall it's cool that the economy is controlled by this players. Look at Lion's Arch, there are spams "Paying 500 ectos for ultimate crystalline sword" , or more funny : "I show more than 1,000 ectos just open a trade".

A funny thing, Anet didn't said anything about that. But in old farm days, it was "OMG no the farmers are screwing the economy OMG we need to stop them otherwise they'll have more money than the others !"
At this times, money was counted in "1,000" (1k , 50k etc...)
Now it's in billions and ectos. They nerfed the farm for some gold, but allowed a fast turnover for some billions...

I still don't understand. Taking a break is the best thing to do. And for my part, if they don't do anything, they can take their extensions and put them in their (censored)...

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 05:24 AM // 05:24

for the most part i really could care less about who has what and such. All i really want is to play the PvE aspect of the game and get rewarded. I want to get the things I need without having to farm. I have four chars. only one is not ascended. I have over 450 hours into this game. I should not have to put another 450 hours into it to afford the few things I need for my chars. I'm looking forward to a different game. actually i don't really play GW any longer...sad because I loved the game.

Sagius Truthbarron · Aug 13, 2005, 05:33 AM // 05:33

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Originally Posted by Kaylynn Of Ascalon

last night black dye was listed at OVER 34k at the merchant. affordable? No. everyone bought out the merchants and rune sellers to grab all the good items and now those items are more expensive than ever.

It's 7k now and it's been that way for 6 hours. Affordable? More so than when it was 20k.

Moltov joss · Aug 13, 2005, 05:35 AM // 05:35

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Originally Posted by wiz12268

Anet as intheir usual shortighted half assed manner have once again killed this game.

Sure the roll back in pricing was supposed to help people, but reducing prices to the very minimum was stupid. Not only that but they didn't put any kind of limit on what people could buy. Even if prices do not skyrocket comlpletely out of control the sheer profit from 300 to 6K is astronimical even if they sell to traders, especailly if the bought 200 ectos or more.

Having monk runs go from 50K + to zero is also pretty assinine, people buting 10-12 or more, now the traders are completely sold out. Sure some guys got them cheap, but what about the guys that missed out?

I bought RYL yesterday, and even though it is 9.99 a month to play it I am probably going to switch over. It is actually free if you keep taking surveys every month,.

Until Anet stops making knee jerk reactions to every problem that come up this game is going to be completley unbalanced. PvP versu PvE, and now wealthy against Super wealthy against noob.

How exactly did this update help ANYONE but the guys who hapened to be online at the moment it happened and had ehough gold to hoard and hoard and hoard?

Admittedly I bought my fair share of cheap stuff, but who cares? I already had stuff saved up. So does it make it any better? Of course not, but if I didn't then I would be at a "disadvantage" against every other guy that was doing the same thing. So how does that help the game. Forcing guys with hundreds of thousands of gold into thinking that they HAVE to buy things just to keep up with the Jones?

Because undoubtedly a week or 10 days from now whenthe traders are stil out of stock on items peeole can start charging what they want again, and eventually it wil be even worse than it was.

Since the traders won't ever be in stock of an item then how canpeople get an idea of "value"? People always check the trader before buying materials, Bt if they are selling that option is gone, if player need 100 damask to make that Elemetal armor and the trader has none, but would only charge say 300 if he did, what is to say the guy that has 1000 units stored can't charge 100 k for it? Sure you can make Damask, but that takes time and a trip to some collectors not easilly obtained.

When the economy of a game starts overrinding the PLAYING of the game then it is in serious trouble.

I do not see how this helped anyone out in the long run.

As a side note, if the gold drops have decreased as some have alluded to, then that compounds the problem for all the newer guys.

A very shortsighted and extreme move that might eventually make MANY people stop playing this game, and probably make a lot not even start or continue, if they are new to it.

While it is easy to criticize after the fact, and definalteyl hard to please everyone. This move by them was probably the worst option they could have made. A complete reset of item with absolutely no limit on quantities allowed to but.

That would be like Bill Gates saying OK I am going to reset shares of Microsoft at one penny a share come and get them. A very few would soon own all the shares avaialable, and anyone looking to get them in the future would have to pay what the owners wanted. But this is a foolish analogy, since we all know that ecot is more covetted than shares of Microsoft.

The problem is everyone complains about everything Anet does. It doesn't matter if it is actually a good thing, they still find something about it to complain about.

Kaylynn Of Ascalon · Aug 13, 2005, 05:41 AM // 05:41

yes, complaining seems to be in our nature. There will always be people not happy. No getting around that I'm afraid.

Little Thom's Bro · Aug 13, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

Thank god for the update. Sadly i lost alot of gold after the update. (to much dye and runes) But hey now newbies can buy item.

Puddin Tame · Aug 13, 2005, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Originally Posted by Damon Windwalker

*chuckles* I was thinking the exact same thing....

*cough*halo2*cough*